‘Think and Grow Rich’ Is a Lie. (But The Advice Still Works)

they can grow rich amazing book one of the best selling books of all time but the whole backstory story completely fake and he's a total con man what what do you mean none of it's true i feel like i could rule word i know i could be what i want to put at all in it like a days off i have to tell this story so i'm re reread a bunch of old books because i like reread old books and i started reading dale carnegie how to win friends and influence people have you read that one i love that book sam rule number one brought him around the a person's name is the is the english language the golden rule i love that book i just the reason i like these old books is because some of them the the the rules have stood the test of time in the writing is always like older the writing for some reason it's like cute there's something about i'll tell you something stupid but i did i took the book and you know how people wear like you're a denim guy you know this distressed jeans oh yeah distressed the book i've rough it up a little bit i maybe it look like this is an heir that's been passed down from napoleon himself did you like dog your certain pages even though you knew didn't even read the thing tat pattern folded full like first thirty pages but like i've made this book look like it is already won friends and influence people on you just put it in the back of your pocket and just walk around with it for people who don't know the or you yeah people have heard of the but if you if it's been one of those things like you know like the wire like i heard it's a great show but it's kinda old now and i just i guess i'm out on that like if you know of the book but you haven't actually cracked into it could tell the quick story of it dale carnegie he originally was a public speaker and he taught public speaking classes then he create called how to win friends and influence people and i think it's like fifteen or twenty rules on how to basically make friends and make people like you so it could be saying their name it could be asking them questions so they do most of the talking it's never arguing with someone because no one wins an argument when you guys fight and there's like how many fifteen or twenty rules and it it's just like an old timer book it was released in the nineteen thirty so it's almost a hundred years old and it's probably a sole fifty to a hundred billion copies and to this day there's the dale carnegie institute which is a public speaking classes and a lot of amazing people including warren buffett have said that that book influenced them and help them and in fact warren buffett he was an instructor at the dale carnegie institute i believe love it okay great and you were gonna say so you've been reading reread this book reread that one i'm reading i just got the power of positive thinking that's another one from the nineteen thirties i just love these old books and like i told you i'm in the motivational phase of my life right now i'm back at it i just wanna be influenced to be you know motivated and happy and all that stuff it's a girl debt thing you know what i'm saying like once once do you have a girl you know you're just emotional here and so i'm into this stuff but there's one book that i started reading last night and i was curious about it the author because it just got me interested but it's called stinking grow rich have you read thinking grow rich a classic i've again i've read the first thirty pages loved it so you've read thirty pages you get it so let me tell you the story about they can grow rich thing grow rich one of the earliest self help books i think it pre dates how to win friends and influence people it's sold around a hundred million copies making it one of the best selling non fiction books of all time and to this day it still regularly lands on the new york times best seller list i mean it's a huge thing and and so basically the story is that there's this guy named napoleon hill can i say it wrong and you correct me isn't it something like he got commissioned by carnegie oh yeah yeah and he went and interviewed all these people or he hung out what was it what is the story so it's even more epic than that so basically napoleon hill is this guy from appalachia came from nothing he's this really poor kid and makes his way to new york city and he's writing an article for a magazine and he meets andrew carnegie who at the time this is like elon musk he's the best of the best orange andrew carnegie runs carnegie steele this is tesla this is the biggest company in the world by far and he's talking to andrew carnegie and napoleon was like look i'm just trying to figure out what makes six people successful and andrew carnegie goes looks sun you seem promising i wanna tell you to do something but can you promise me you'll actually do it because i have a feeling you're not gonna follow through but if you do follow through me i think you're gonna be really successful and napoleon goes look desperate for success i'll do anything you say and andrew magic elon musk saying sean and need you to go out and talk to five hundred people the most successful people on earth and i you to tell me what made them successful because i want the world to know about this gospel they have to know what makes people successful and i need you to study them for the next twenty years and i will help find it i will help make this a reality will you do that and napoleon goes hell brother i am in this sounds like oh the world's greatest mission let's do it and so andrew carnegie introduces them to henry ford they introduced them to john rockefeller also won the richest man of the world that even introduced some to woodrow wilson and then fdr the president of the united states and napoleon hill spends a decade or two writing this book and it becomes they can grow rich and it basically dis distilled down all of the amazing stuff that makes someone successful and it it goes even further after this book because napoleon hill got to me all these presidents he he basically was there when woodrow wilson negotiated the end of world war one and he helped like give woodrow wilson like the speech that he needed to convince germany to like you know back down and then it goes even further do you remember the famous line from fdr he says the only thing we have to fear is feared itself right that way napoleon hill baby he wrote that for him he why yeah pretty busy fingerprints prints are all over this country all over this country he's shaped america well none of it's true what what do you mean none of it's true everything i just told you is a lie except for they can grow rich amazing book one of the best selling books of all time everything else totally false alright i read a ton i would say almost a book a week and the reason i read so much is because my philosophy towards reading is i wanna see what worked for the winners that i love and what strategies they use and then i wanna see what mistakes were did they all make where were the common flaws that they all had and i just wanna avoid that and so hubspot asked me to put together a list of the books that have changed my life and i did that and so i listed out seven books that made a meaningful difference in my life and i explained what the differences that they had on me or what actions i took because of the book and then also i listed out my very particular ways of reading because i'm pretty strategic about how i read and how i read so much and how i remember what i read and things like that and so i put this together in a very simple guide it's seven books that had a huge impact on my life and you can scan the qr code below if you wanna read it or there's a link you guys know what to do there's a link in the description just go ahead and click it and you'll see the guy that i made so it's the seven books that had a massive change in my life and then also how i'm able to read so much so check it out below so what do you mean where did this come from listed to this so napoleon hill originally was called oliver and napoleon hill that was his name married someone at the age of already minus five yes married someone at the age of sixteen or seventeen eventually gets divorced because he goes broken and spends all of his money in prostitutes starts a lumber company and he gets arrested for fraud gets arrested again for stealing a bunch of cars and if you go to the mb master document i actually list his wrap sheet so he got in trouble in nineteen o eight for lumber fraud in nineteen o eight again he gets arrested for cashing fake checks in nineteen o nine he creates this thing called the automobile college which teaches kids how to work on cars turns out he actually kinda teaches them how to go and sell the course so it's a multi level marketing scheme and he gets run out of town because he runs off a lot of money gets arrested again in nineteen ten for car theft and just like a history of just like literally been in jail we're talking like fifteen or twenty times and he comes out with this i mean he just tries business after business after business he tries like fifteen businesses they all fail she mar a woman he convince the woman's parents to loan him money for this like farm or something he wants to start that goes up that goes broke up bankrupt and he divorce the woman i mean real broke yeah like really bad and so in the nineteen thirties he did the carnegie part happen at all did he even an interview any of these people so carnegie died in nineteen nineteen and in the nineteen thirties he comes out with this book he had written a bunch of books already that none of them were hits this particular one was a hit and he tells the story of meeting andrew carnegie and how andrew carnegie asked him to do this there's zero proof that he met andrew carnegie and andrew carnegie i've read actually three biographies on he i got married at carnegie hall because i loved him so much the book comes out i think in nineteen twenty nine carnegie has been dead for ten years and david nassau who wrote the best biography on carnegie they're like dude carnegie documented everything there's no proof that carnegie said now our car arc carnegie get say anything about this what about the people wilson and fdr none of it happened he'd never been any of these guys and nobody debunked well so here's the thing people did debunk it later on but it's sort of like r kelly and his music so you could separate the art from the artist do you know what i mean like i could still i could still listen to the music and acknowledge that it's good music but a lot of his his the book was so good and i could talk about some of the stuff in the book it was so good that it's known that he was a a fraud start and that all of this story it's completely fake but the book is actually so good that he he he didn't get a pass but people acknowledge the book's great and also he's full of shit so in the book there's actually a bunch of amazing stuff for example have you ever heard of the term mastermind mh he created that so he came up with the site probably lies probably all lies so you think i believe that i think he was fool me once same on me i don't pull me again that's a andrew a napoleon hill term so he created this idea of i mean he popularized at least pop popularized it but it's i think it's the first time that someone has ever said the word mastermind or at least published he did a bunch of amazing stuff so in the book he says that you need to be you need to have a specific goal you need to write it down and you need to repeat it to yourself every single day twice a day that's been proven to be true like there's a lot of research shows like if you write down goals you repeat it to yourself you are something like two times more likely to achieve your goal another thing that he said was like this idea of persistence and grit and he like goes through tons and tons of chapters so like the importance of persistence and grit angela duck i think we talked about it has this book called grit and it's also been proven that grit is more likely to make you succeed than iq and then there's other parts where he talks about like daily affirmations and like this is all woo stuff but this is like proven to be true that if he's like a firm that you're going to be successful and all these things you are actually more likely to be successful and so he's actually does have a lot of amazing stuff there's some other weird stuff he talks about how like sexual energy is the most powerful energy on earth and you need to harness it there's a bunch of weird stuff there but there's a lot of a really amazing stuff and so what but when i read about his background i just thought it was like one of the craziest things that i've ever read about because it's so in about how he just lied about the entire backstory his whole life basically is a lie oh and by the way i have to add have if you read the book have you noticed how he mentions the secret i don't remember that but yeah okay okay so in the book he talks about there's this the secret to success it there is in fact a secret andrew carnegie the most successful amount on earth he conveniently dropped the secret into my pocket and that's what i'm gonna talk about well in the book thinking can grow rich he never actually outlines the secret or sorry he never look explicitly says what it is but what he does say is he goes i've written another book about this the secret and i've outlined it like perfectly i made it incredibly clear now the thing is is like i'm not even gonna tell you the name of the book it's gonna come to you when you need it and it was called this book was called the law of success and it was a fourteen volume course that you had to buy it was very expensive and so the book they can grow rich it's just the front door offer it's like the cheap version so like the the ten dollar book that upsell you on the two thousand dollar course and so this is like one of the early versions of like an un close to loop like an open loop to like get people going buy stuff and then could go and by his seminars and so his marketing prowess was like pretty amazing and he his totally worked napoleon hill became like a seminar company and it actually was somewhat successful before he stole a bunch of money and and it gotten trouble for fraud but his marketing was amazing and the book actually has a lot of amazing stuff but the whole backstory story completely fake and he's total con man that's pretty wild similar to like the what's going on with a jay s thing right you've seen this no you know jay s he's like me with green eyes yeah so yeah he i've he's he he's a very attractive guy very popular his backstory is the monk i was a monk you know i i i was i was in trouble i blah a lot and i went and i became a monk in india or nepal or something and then one day and this is where i knew the story was bullshit immediately one day guess what happened a monk at the monastery comes to him and says you're not meant to be here you're meant to do more like to do bigger things in this world you're meant to go back to america start podcast essentially just what he told you know you're meant to go popularized this monk wisdom which i mean come on do we really think that a monk broke his silence and just randomly went up to him and was like no no you you are supposed to go do this all the thing like how convenient how could convenient need you you to start a seminar our company jay yeah but it's bullshit so basically i like it's questionable i think even if he was a monk if you ever did like a stint as a monk like being a monk i think is also like a kind of quite a long term commitment versus like i did a seven day retreat out of thing or whatever so i think that part's questionable definitely the part about the monk telling him like your your your purpose in life is to go do this other thing that's bullshit he's only thirty eight years old and he's been famous for like ten years so meant to be revealed he wears his colored contacts that's gonna be the final straw for me basically you know then they're like oh he has this degree and it's like oh wait he didn't actually have that college degree in fact he has his own school that gives their own certificates for ten grand and that's where he got his certification from it's like the whole thing you know starts to fall over but you know what like the things he says right he took old ideas he popularized them in his book you know his podcast he gets people to open up and and he's a good podcast you know so it's it's it's hard right and the art from the artist as you said and so i think it's very very similar he was the efficient of j lo and ben a wedding though you are meant to appreciate celebrity weddings i i met a guy who was like his like brand coach like early on and i was like i was like tell me is this really hey he was like i have he's i have no idea and i knew better than to ask i was like okay sounds good dude that's crazy i can't tell if the self help industry is actually has a higher percentage of this sort of like yes fraud and fake and there's something about the nature of wanting to be a guru that is attractive it's kinda like politics right the people who seek power tend to be people who are flawed in certain ways the people who deserve power don't seek it and said i wonder if it's the same thing with like the kind of self help guru space or if it's a con if it's a bias where you just really remember the cases where they they turn out to be fraud because it's so so damning right given that given the front that they per that they present and so maybe it's just that it actually like strikes a bigger cord or is it actually more frequent i don't know i know a bunch of self help people and i know that the majority of them what does that being do you know what what are you talking about how many else i help you are even are there i mean first of all our some people look to us as self help people to be honest so like we run in circles with people that like at least have a book about our in the self help category right like so like and i know that like when i see them i'm like you sound of a bitch you will this and do existence and and you're know i don't think i i don't know anyone who i would say they're fraudulent but it's just like you're just painting the best picture of the reality which i don't think is necessarily wrong but who do you know if anyone that's in the self up industry that you think is totally legitimate well let me give you give you if you the nuance here what does legit mean so what i don't mean by legit is you live a perfect life because no one does so that's not that's not the criteria if that's the criteria then nobody should ever if there is no such thing as as this the second is that well you had these problems and that's why you're you know you had these problems look at your broken past so it's like your your present doesn't need to be perfect neither does your pass because of course the people who get really into self help are the people who needed it right they're the people who if they had the pain they had the wound and therefore they went and study therefore when they overcame they're you know they have the deepest mastering and understanding of it because they actually like self actual self did so i don't hold it against anybody also if they had you know sort of a broken pass the only thing i think is bogus is if a the things you preach don't actually help people or they're like a lower form of of success or or you're sort of help this is sort of like the annotate problem right like he might or even to an extent you know there's people who are like fitness people who it's all about the grind and suffering or there's business success people who again it's all about the grind and suffering and and so you're you're actually giving people a a dirty form of fuel right you're giving them a you're popular a path that is not actually the best method right it's like giving medicine that's you know not as effective as the leading medicine when the leading medicine exists like as a doctor you really shouldn't be prescribing like medicines that are not as effective you should be prescribing what whatever the most effective thing is in the market so that's that's the first knock i have and the second is you you're actually lying about your past or you're lying about you know your your present like the lying i think is obviously a deal breaker it's obviously a trust buster so yeah you know that that's kind of what i think so you said who do i think is legit okay my honest opinion that i'm afraid to say because i think it'll be immediately attacked but tony robbins i think is legit in the in the two i just gave one i think his advice is extremely helpful and i think it is sort of the best medicine for for you know a broad scale of people i'm so i think what he preach is actually extremely helpful and i don't think he's lying i've never what is there a lot about what claims is that made i've seen that i haven't gonna say he lies about like his past or whatever you know does he imbalance or exaggerate or you know like you know like make this conveniently trim the timelines for the story mate i have no idea i don't i don't go audit at that you know i think the criticism of him is twofold fold one is like did he get me to and like is did you do that up i i don't know what what that situation is and the second is is it a cult like is he almost so effective then it becomes like a cult like he's sort of an abuse of power if people are fallen so far into his rabbit hole that like somehow that's a negative thing i personally got a lot of value it so like i guess that's my bias on this i've read his books i like them i don't know anything about his personal in life though i know a person who i could say is totally legitimate and this is based off of me hanging out with them for collectively eight hours so not that much time but also talking to dozens of his employees gary van vaynerchuk gary van vaynerchuk interesting i have nothing but positive things to say about gary van vaynerchuk and he's one of these guys who gets criticized for hustle culture i think he works actually that hard which you could argue is not good but everything that he i've seen him say online i have heard his employees who have worked with them for years back it up and say it was totally legitimate and he's a wonderful man i have another one jesse it's i've now spent a lot of time with jesse is and you know if you think about when you meet people there's sort of think of it like in math terms there's like the y intercept which is where the points the line starts like how high up does it start that's usually your expectations or their reputation you know people you know we met like ty lopez and we met the guy from fire festival right so they're low on the y they you do come in with a extremely negative perception and there's other people who you come in with extremely positive perception of of like are they really as good as it is and then there's the slope of the line from there does it doubt does this slope downward does slope upward jesse's one of the few people that was i came in with a high expectation and then he's only ever beat it like and i've i've been to his house met his family as his kids i've done multiple like kind of events where he came and he hung we've done podcast podcasts together like i'm not his best friend i'm not with them all the time but i've every time i'm around this guy i'm like wow he's the real deal holy feel this this is really like he lives what he preach and he's just a genuinely good dude like genuinely there for you and i just haven't been able to detect the normal flaws that come with this sort of stuff whether it's na or it's an extreme self interest and their money motivated underneath the hood or they're fame motivated are they're really protective of their image or they they kind of have this like weird tendency to like brag or tell dominate the room or you know things like that he's got none of that shit and i've i've literally asked them him i'm like how did you slay the money monster you don't see like you're the only guy in this room that's not just still chasing more and more and more and more more success or how did you you know they were talking about this and you actually have done more than all of them in the room but you didn't say anything he's like well i didn't feel a need to like well what do i do i need prove something i didn't mean why did i why would i have needed to do that i was there to learn i wanted to learn i wanted to hear and i was like wow this guy's is also went up in a great way today's episode is brought you by hubspot did you know that most businesses only use twenty percent of their data that's like 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sorts called ps pdf kit and it actually becomes like the gold standard for like a pdf library for developers it's used by like apple and box and doc and he basically bootstrap the thing he ends up selling a majority stake i think he sold it for a lot of money like a hundred million dollars a hundred million dollars tries to retire early he's like golf sucks has an existential life crisis like what i wanna do decides alright i'm gonna keep building that's what i enjoy doing so he starts building open source projects and launches like you know forty fifty different open source small little tools or projects before this and then he decides to create like jarvis from the movies he's like why don't i just have an ai assistant that lives on my computer like on my desk and i just tell it to do things and it could just do it and the problem with most ai tools before this was that they you know you could talk to you could go to that ai app and you could talk to it it could tell you things but it couldn't do a whole lot right because it didn't have access to your different apps in your accounts and it couldn't message somebody couldn't send money it couldn't control it couldn't control that and he was like forget i'm gonna give it god mode i'm gonna give it access to this stuff and the reason why i can do this is i'll put it on my own little computer here instead of in the cloud and it'll run as an open source project locally on my computer so he releases this thing initially called cloud bot and then the ant philanthropic who makes claude was like hey we kindly suggest you change your name if you wanna ever see your mother again or something you know i say he gets forced to change you change at once twice and it ends ended up becoming open call so it becomes one of the fastest growing github projects ever twitter goes nuts over this thing it starts of revolution people are buying mac minis the price of mac minis is going through the roof and then recently he gets acquired acquired by open ai for an undisclosed sum money that people speculate could be a very large sum of money is this a one person billion dollar aqua we don't know we don't know what this is and now he's part of open ai so that's the story that's what people online were saying this they saying it was a billion dollars but i have no idea if that's true nobody knows what's crazy is you talked to i think last year you said the the word of two thousand twenty five is generative so alright do me a favor share your screen again and click his github link look at how many projects this guy has put out with the last one being open claw but is that amazing how many projects or little products that this guy tried to make before he got to the huge win it's not shocking let me put it that way i think it's awesome but it's not shocking because this is a pattern you'll see over and over and over again which is that the people who are the best to make the best quality stuff tend to also make the highest quantity of stuff they just take a lot of shots on gold they're prolific they're generative office because they start earlier but even if it's not that they start earlier they just attempt more than you and that's a good example in fact levels had this great tweet about his hit rate levels being peter levels who we've had on the pod and he's kind of helped invent this word of indie hacker he probably makes i would say he's the most famous eddie indie hacker and he does something like two million dollars a year with just him making a lot of these projects and he's pretty amazing alright check this out same tweet same idea from level so he says four out of the seventy plus projects i did ever made money and grew ninety five percent of everything i did failed my hit rate is only five percent so ship more and then he had basically a list is like all projects and then he has projects that made good money improved no my list remote talk brie base and the youtube youtube network for electronic music those are the four out of seventy that he did to try to make this successful i i've joked before he's like the jordan logo for andy hackers which is his like sitting on a couch shirt off in his boxer just typing on a laptop sitting in bali or whatever and he basically showed that he has a ninety something percent failure rate that it took him whatever fifty plus projects before you had a hit and you know all the revenue all the success comes from like you know three or four projects that he did out of such a long list incredible i'm not i don't view myself as a prolific person i think you're blind to it dude you did here's projects i know that you've done just projects right sam's attempt to make a thing and be successful okay hotdog dog stand next one moons shine company selling moons shine stuff online right the book club that you did in san francisco events business newsletter business blogging business paid subscription business airbnb rental business airbnb community mastermind community that's i'm on ten and it's been ten seconds right i even the shit that you've done what's funny is keep going what else is there keep going well conferences meetups i did a lot of meetups and conferences i create a copywriting thing i'll copy that dot com copywriting workshop you hosted at my office one weekend i i'm school sam's list you're sam's a list of accountants k what else a web i've made three thousand dollars from a website that taught you how to get a roommate in san francisco roommate matching roommate finder roommate infographics i made think har my renter which was a universal rental application this podcast money wise podcast your instagram instagram like influencer content attempt what else i don't view those as attempts i just i and i guess that's kind of the point which is point when it's just like you're just like doing things in your free time that seem like hobbies and you you i don't i don't know your family well you could decline to answer this but like you have siblings in the same amount of time like let's say that was like a fifteen year period and we named at least seventeen things just down maybe there's probably twenty twenty five things total free if you really thought about all the things right how many do you think the average person or even sibling in your own home who group up with the same same environment is you would have attempted is it one to one ratio is it half as much as it a quarter as much is it a tenth as much what is it it's a less than a tenth less than a tenth i have a sister same thing and there's no knock on them they're great people they're you know they're wired differently they wanna do different things in life have different goals maybe but just to kind of just again drive this point home which is that like quantity is the path to quality right and that you have to be prolific you have to be generative in the in the amount of things that you're trying and you almost always when you think you have a quality problem you have a quantity problem underneath the hood and it's quantity of inter iterations right you don't need to do ten things at once that's not what i'm saying but you need to commit to doing a lot of things and you only the beauty of it is just it's like dating or anything else in life you only need one to work right like you only need one and your whole life changes yeah i i always was making a joke i was like you know dating like business you only need to be right once you could it only has to has to work out one time and it's worth it yeah by the here's a blog post from him called finding my spark again and he basically shows his github commits for the year after he sold his business so he sold his business and he tried to do other things he just felt empty afterwards and he just got back into baking stuff just committing code writing code of building tools building products and he basically was like the spark returned because building was always the thing that gave me joy and it just clicked i had an idea started hacking i realized my spark is back and like to find meaning it wasn't therapy it wasn't in ayahuasca i wasn't going to another country i had enough of my own bullshit and i realized that you don't find happiness by moving countries you don't find purpose you create so you don't find purpose you created i think it's like a a pretty like is that that he was blogging that blog puts was from june of twenty five so does that mean that open claw was six months old yeah open call is like brand new dude it's like well i'm sorry i i know it's brand new but like he only even been working on it for six months yeah yeah yeah it's crazy right incredible that's incredible i don't know enough about technical stuff is he considered a great developer yeah no i think i don't know if this is true this is now like i'm just going off a random tweets i'm seeing but i think the story is that he vie coded open open claw and he didn't even read the code afterwards which is why there's like a lot of like security concerns and like potential vulnerabilities and he's even said like why did he join open ai he's like when i had this thing take off dude i mean i imagine the dm is like the most popular ai project in the world ai is the most popular industry in the world and so you know his dms are flooded with acquisition offers job offers investment offers like turn this into a company you could be the next chat gp etcetera and he basically was like i don't want to build a huge company that's not what makes me happy i wanna build an ai agent that actually does the thing that i'm i'm trying to build it here like that that's my my best shot of doing that is joining open ai and so he went there and he's like yeah i agree there's a lot of problems with open claw he's like i'll leave it open source you know there's this issues is it's hard to set up the security with vulnerabilities yes agreed and what i'm gonna go here and try to make a better version of that that will be without those problems my c founder installed it and he was like testing it i haven't installed it because i'm nervous and he we just got this he installed it just in our work slack and he made like a marketing bot that would update the whole company on like you know how many people signed up the day before or whatever and this morning and he called it stanley or something like that like stanley the marketing bot and stanley would give updates so we're like hey stanley on the marketing by i wanna let you know that these many people sign up hampton yada yada yada today we get all we at our company we all got a message that said hey i'm jerry i fired stanley because he made a bunch of mistakes and i wanna let you know that the previous air was x y and z the truth is this and today this is how many people signed up and we are like what did that by itself by itself i get a notification it said i i fired didn't give it feedback it just decided i get him to go i got a notification in our team channel and it said i had to fire this person and the it changed its name okay no that's great but did joe say to the thing you're making mistakes make a better version of yourself did he tell it that or it just did it he did not he said that he did not tell it to do that alright that's scary that's funny and it's very scary that's crazy so we had to uninstall it beyond like he uninstall it because we are like this is just getting to be too much this is weird but it basically yeah it alerts some poor decisions lately sam is now tied up in an undisclosed location i'll be making decisions from here on out it's pretty incredible isn't it i was using claude ko yesterday where i was saying analyze the the slack conversations between my partner joe and i and tell us what we can do to have like to be the best leader or like analyze to i had to make us like have the best relationship possible it was amazing that's hilarious by the way he said a great thing so people took his like project list and they started tweeting like look at this he failed forty for he did forty or fifty different projects that didn't work before finding open claw and then he like what are you guys talking about he's like all those things were basically like mini tools that open call used like that wasn't random feel like great it makes for a good story but that's not true here's the truth and it's like if you weren't jacked handsome and rich already now you're honest too god damn it you know like sky this guy seems great thanks podcast is brought to you by my friends at mercury they make the world's best banking product i think you know this already i use mercury for all of my businesses i think i have like maybe seven or eight businesses we use mercury as our business banking across all of them and now they actually just launched a personal banking account so i have my personal account there i moved off of wells fargo and chase i'm just all in on mercury 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read books the story is there's a professor in a college in florida and at the actual stories i think it was about photography but they kind of changed it to be about pottery for some reason so he gives the he has a class and he wants to prove a point which is that to be a great creative again it's about this commitment and so he says half the class he tells you will be judged at the end of the semester on quality i want you to make the best thing you can make so all year you don't have to do anything but turn in your best pot at the end of the semester and i will grade you only on the best pot you make k great that's first half the class second half of class says i will grade you only on the quantity of the number of pots you make they could be bad they could be good don't care as many as you turn in your grade will be a function of quantity alright the two groups go gone so at the end of semester of what happens obviously the quantity group made way more pots as you would expect this the surprise and the spoiler obviously is that they also made the better pop so like the higher quality pots also came from the quantity group who was not focused on quality at all they're only focused on quantity and he and they found out that the quantity group had a higher measured satisfaction satisfaction rating correct so when across the board you made more stuff you had more fun doing it and you made the better stuff okay so so you when you sort of swept now why is that obviously if you do a do things a lot you get a lot of shots on goal a lot of more attempts to make something great if you do things a lot your skill level goes up so your ability to make something great goes up and the last thing is you remove your filter when you just try to do things that are you try to make a lot of things you don't a self inhibit so you don't count yourself out which you don't you're not afraid to create which usually pushes you towards doing safe projects with this they were willing to experiment more wide widely because they were able to go wide they did things over more original and novel okay so that's the kind of the story from that so she was saying like that changed my life so today christina is the ceo of this i don't know five billion dollar tech companies close to ten billion maybe at some point called van and so i asked her about her process getting there and her story was like she was like an associate vc or something at union square ventures had never learned a code in her life and decided to teach yourself to code she like would dress up like she's going to work go to a c working space sit at the same desk every day like treated it like a job i was like i'm gonna make shit i'm gonna make a lot of shit and so she shared this list of projects on her website so these are like you know ru she goes roughly in chronological order most of these things never saw the daylight which is probably for the best and it's like i know twenty five different little mini projects that she built during this time and so she was making a lot of pots and then she so she tells the story about the potter experiment had this had this it changed her thinking how she built all these different projects and of course the last one which really didn't even use code it was just a spreadsheet in excel which was let me help let me see if i can make a a useful spreadsheet in excel for any company that wants to get their soc to you know security certificate and so she and she just did it in excel did it manually and started helping companies manually and eventually turned that into software and that eventually became van which now does hundreds of millions in annual revenue which is like this pretty crazy this story and she had this quote on the top of her website of her personal site that just it was from the the book art and fear and it the quote was this that says the function of the overwhelming majority of work is simply to teach you how to make the small fraction of your art that soar and like and i think if you take that mentality you have a very different result then if you take the mentality of i need to make something great and then you try to make one thing and they just sort disappointed in your results and you sort of get you go down a discourage loop wow man so this lady i listened to that i didn't realize how impressive it she she might is she a billionaire now she might be one of the youngest self made women donors yeah i think i started the podcast with like in the four forbes drank her like you know over katy perry and under oprah or something of like most successful five of rich richest women in the country i didn't know too much about her that's pretty cool i didn't know what vantage did also i guess i and frankly i still don't entirely understand because i don't know it's sucked too entirely means i guess it i means compliance for also one of those subjects that's best stepped around yeah it's like a word that you read about all the time in the book but you never wanna say out loud i've read harry potter thirty times and when i watched the movie i was like hermione that's what the hell the hell it's been ten years for moines yeah she's impressive you when you meet it her you're like oh okay i get it you know sort of has that was that word you say oh the oven burns hotter the oven burns got it like you're just wired a little bit better than us in the brain it's all good she also was the first investor in rep early on which i think if i look at now this like projects thinks she says interactive rep to teach python was one of her projects which might have been the reason that she invested in rep first and i don't know i'm i'm just guessing there that maybe had something to do with it and you know rep now like i don't know what is it three four or five billion dollar company dan and is awesome we should do a follow because that was like two years old i think that podcast yeah that'd be fun alright sean i have an announcement i've been thinking a lot about this and i'm finally ready to announce it i am resigning from business and i'm starting a new career and i need ari to play clipped in order to give some context news i just got called out in the mel robbins podcast i'm officially a dating expert check it out but one of my favorite people who i really admire is my friend sarah's husband sam par whenever i talked to sam about dating he talks about what he did to make himself a more desirable partner and he really had a strategy for it so for example he said i think it's really attractive when people have passions so i'm gonna work on developing a hobby that will be interesting to talk about and he got really into denim and when he was meeting up with girls he would say i'm going to this denim swap this weekend let me tell you about japanese denim and they that's kinda cool yeah they would find it interesting he he really stood out he was member world renowned pickup artist dead worked it was just endorsed you on linkedin for this oh my gosh i'm gonna be hosting dating seminars hours over the next couple months and if you guys wanna sign up please let me know i just have to warn you sean i do together i know you're married do not walk up to a bunch of women and tell them that you're into denim otherwise they're just gonna be booked full with dates right yeah you seem visibly excited this is the most excited i've seen you in like six months it's just so funny i saw that and i was like there's no way like they're only telling the story because it worked but if i told you that i walked up to a girl a girl and asked her if she wanted to go do a denim swap me like like hey princess wanna come see my bug collection i like how you doubled down and you're wearing denim of today too fast follow i am what i am and you've had fitness influencer business influencer now dating influencer did i miss one professional skateboard order professional casual skateboard order yeah white man who can jump how funny is that that was that made by day i've just been walking around my office asking if anyone needs a mentor for dating what's the story with mel robbins by the way do you know who do you know her backstory i actually don't have any idea who she is but she has a ton of followers what is it she used to work for james career at their startup she was like a marketer and it became like this life coach speaks extraordinary type person and i think i mean i don't know what bridge that transition obviously lots of hard work and useful things for people but i feel like she's a self made well i feel like she decided like i now shell do self help and and then she like intentionally went into it and did it you know what i mean like made a pivot into that career well i remember that rick mee came in the podcast and who is james partner and he said you know i was just like my wife was listening to a podcast and i was like that voice sounds familiar and he was like wait i used to have a intern or a marketing manager named mel is that oh my god that's the lady who works for me mel robin and he had no idea that she was into this stuff and so i guess she kinda manifested it she's a manifest cowboy she's got her the five second rule you know the the male robbins five second rule like you could eat self out the floor you would think right it's a world famous turns out this is the alternate so her five second rule this is her book which is basically if you are procrastinating or you have self doubt so let's just take an example you're a guy you see a cute girl at the cafe if there's a moment where you have to decide am i gonna approach her and say something to her or or not and her rule is basically you count back or is it's five four three two one and then you just physically move towards doing it before your brain could stop you so you sort of the body overrides the the the brain you don't let yourself be an over thinker that one principle is like her most famous principal or most useful thing that has spread the idea that has spread the furthest that's been great i mean that's a weird coincidence because since i've been a pickup artist expert for the last twenty four hours i've been teaching this idea of the three second rule which is if as long as you see the whenever you see a girl who's cute you have to go up and talk her it within three seconds so great mind steve like print you have to run doesn't matter to distance you have three seconds yeah what the first slide is i was staring at you and i just wanted to let you know and then you just say the first thing that comes to your mind right this is by the way this is a perfect coincidence that you're talking about manifesting into a self help guru because i have a crazy story to tell you wait before we before you go there can tell you one more five second roll story this is what this is just useful to the you know if there happens to be a young single man that listens those podcast i know absurd but if there was such a guy this might be useful my trainer is tell me the story so my trainer is one of the best humans i know he's also super funny always in a good mood gets along with everybody's super fit he's like incredible he's a catch and he's single he's single right now and the crazy thing is he's so it's almost like you know when people like i'm gonna work on myself for a little bit and they like like mel robbins was saying that you did right you made yourself a more desirable partner he just kept doing that kept investing in himself made himself the most desirable right like said just such a great guy so i told him i said this i was like i got this inkling i'm gonna introduce you to somebody this year i his gut instinct that i'm gonna find the right person for you i don't know why i somehow god dots are gonna connect and he's like i like i'm here for it and he goes i have the crazy story i was at the gym like a year ago and i saw this girl and there was this five second rule moment where like i she she made eye contact i made eye contact but we were kinda far away she was in the middle of the i in the middle set i didn't walk over to her and i kinda over thought it for a second and i was like dude i never do that but he's like she was just she just seemed great so i he's like i just i missed it he's like but i told myself if i ever see that girl again i'm going up to her he goes so yesterday i'm across the street and i see that same girl at this bus stop and he's like i ran across the street i he's like i run over to her he's like i i just told her i goes he goes hey it he goes hey it goes hey hey he goes i had to tell you this crazy story i saw you at the gym like a year ago and at the time i to nervous came up to and talk to you i thought you were really cute but i just i fumble the ball and i i told myself i said if i ever see that girl again i'm definitely gonna come up and talk to her and i just had to come up and say hi and she she loved work and then they went of course they went on this day and they went great and i was like this is that isn't a great story because i feel like every kind of has been in that position of the first part of the story and you can turn the l into a big w by using it actually not like just being ashamed of it or or sort of kicking yourself about it but actually use it as the line when you go up to the girl because know it's very flattering so date one happened to date one happened went well and yeah we'll see what happens but if there already women out there that were looking for the happiest man i know the guy who has got the best mindset who is just absolute joy to be around you hit me you'd slide into my dms if you're let's say you're a good wholesome person who likes to have fun good sense of humor you're looking to have a family and you just haven't found the right guy yet maybe he's the guy for you slide into my dms i believe i'm connecting the dots this year it's happening that's pretty interesting that you did you now you're going from business person you're running a book in creativity pacemaker to matt pi yeah yeah yeah yeah that's awesome alright how do you feel i feel great i didn't comment on this but wearing in the ralph lauren bare sweater i owned a few of them i've never won them because i thought you were gonna mock me and frankly i think it's great i think a girl should wear a teddy bear on their chest once in a while i'll wear my next time alright well that's it think on that point that's it that's a pop i feel like i could rude to wear to know i could be what i want to from at all in it like a day's off on a go less travel never looking back alright my friends i have a new podcast for you guys to check out it's called content is profit and it's hosted by luis and ph ka after years of building content teams and frameworks for companies like red bull and orange theory fitness luis and fans are on a mission to bridge the gap between content and 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