Elon’s wildest interview yet — our reaction

he goes if you get things done i love you and if you don't i hate you i thought those so great well weirdo when i heard it i was like that's how sam is i feel like i could rule world i know i could be what i want to put at all in it like a day's off on a less travel i tell you about this you elon musk podcast did you did you listen to this cheeky pint episode with you on i saw it didn't listen to it you gotta listen to this thing this is an amazing podcast i think it's he who's the indian guy i i started seeing him pop up like out of nowhere door cash door is a podcast he's got the he's got his own youtube channel and and whatnot he is this unicorn because he's a he's a really good podcast like he's got good energy good vibe you like listen he's like a authentic nerd in a way but he's also technical so the one of the reasons this podcast is really interesting is because normally elon says something and he'll be like i predict that in four years we will have you know whatever ten more data centers in space than we have on on earth cumulative and then what me or you or joe rogan or any of us would do when he says that walmart my whoa yeah that's crazy man how how are you gonna do that right that it's like that like bro like you know that's that's all we capable of like our little peanut mind can only do so much we kinda like but elon that that doesn't make sense because electricity doesn't a word the same way in space or whatever yeah he he was pushing back the whole time to where was like is elon gonna throw his drink in his face like what's going on here is he gonna get mad that the day keeps pushing back on every idea that he says and because he pushed back so he would be like but why do we need that we can you're talking about this much energy that could be done by this many solar panels that could fit in just nevada so why do we need space to power this and then elon would be like well here's the reason why permitting blah blah and he's like won't there be other problems in space you know that are just as difficult how you gonna how are gonna fix a broken gpu when it's in space like what do you to do for maintenance that's gonna be incredibly difficult to do when it's floating in space and elon was like you know then had to like come back with the counter point each time so thought that was one remarkable thing about the podcast was somebody with enough technical acumen to on the fly calculate so he so elon would say something about space and then he'd be like so if you're gonna do ten thousand launches that means you're launching out a a starship every hour every hour you're gonna do a starship launch how many of have you done last you've done like you know three or whatever in the last year like that's is that even possible to do an hour every hour and then elon would be like well you know there's more planes than that taking off from airports so yes and then they would like go into why that's like either correct or correct it's thought by way it's really funny because the founder of stripe is sitting it right this is it was all it was like a collab it was on cheeky pint which is made by the stripe guy and he probably asked five questions total in three hours and rake ke asked five hundred baby didn't do was exactly what was needed and shout out to the guy from sc for letting that play out the way it did i thought it made for a great podcast did he best elon in anything no no i wasn't like a one up spin shipped but it was definitely a i'm not just gonna let you say that shit like wait so what do you know that i don't know because i would just think this and he would like kinda earnest ask the question and he'd like okay i buy that that does this but i don't see the connection you made to this and so he forced him to keep going which i thought was great did you feel the same sense that i feel when i see like guy one hundred meter dash or like a sense of national pride yeah like yeah like what said just a white pointer back in the nfl is how you felt a little bit i'm a front on i actually felt scared for him i was like dude tone it down it's a little crazy you just get a little you get a little feisty to hear but he was also like logistically like unaware of like so i like i cannot not ask this i have to ask this because i wanna know the answer to it and i thought that was so great he's so earnest in the way he does everything it's great alright where are you're like what what what like high five and your wife fletcher in your world star hip hop yeah where are we at where are we at next i am made out of bought a door you know hoodie after that so can i tell you some of the crazy things that elon said and did you mention i've seen it all he did not they didn't go into they were they basically like we're gonna time to talk about like technology not like the whoa blah a politics like politics elon they like did a very minimal amount that i did a little bit on do at the end but like not not much i'll tell you first was just like a useful thing and then i'll tell you some the crazy things because the crazy things you're gonna be like both again gonna be like whoa man but but let's just do their useful thing so you they asked about hiring so they were basically getting into their like so how do you do like what are you doing differently than the rest of us like what what is it that you're doing that's leading to all of this incredible like individually and it want any one of your companies is doing incredible things right spacex trillion dollar company x ai it came into the ai game like i don't know seven years late or something like that and became a two hundred fifty billion dollar company even i saw i i saw the x i thing i didn't even know what it is have you ever reached g it's it's elon competitor to chad gp which is the product is called g it's his revenge company because when open ai kinda screwed him and like did exactly the opposite of what he wanted right open ai open sourced ai that's you know a non nonprofit and now it's a for profit close source company and he funded fifty million dollars and that now owns none of it like his revenge company was x sai but again seven seven eight years late to the game and still caught up tesla obviously worth more than the next twenty car companies combined so it's it's like you know he's any one of these companies dominant all of these companies supernova what is this what's even happening i said they're asking about hiring and they were like you must have an incredible people because just biologic logic there's no way you could be in five of these companies at the same time doing the things yourself so you must have incredible people how are you getting these people and so they're like what do you look for when you hire because he hired i guess the first thousand people at spacex or thousand plus people at spacex he interviewed them himself and he just goes i'm looking for evidence of exceptional ability and he goes sometimes i would see a resume and i'd be like this person sounds great he goes but i've learned you trust the conversation not the resume so he's like if in that first twenty minutes i'm not saying wow i believe the conversation and i don't believe the resume and he goes all i ask them for in the interview is tell me about some something exceptional you've done i'm looking for evidence of exceptional ability and if they can't tell me a story he goes if they say one thing or you know one the three things that i'm just saying wow wow wow that's all i'm looking for when have he define that of exceptional ability like could be like i was an nc athlete and i was i won i won he's looking for technical tech technical achievements or like things you've built or done technically and he was say he he's like you know he's like he's like it's not that i'm batting a thousand right i make a lot of mistakes he goes but at this point i've have probably you know to use like the ai terms i have the most training data probably you know out there of hiring like technical talent you know i've been doing this for a long time and i've interviewed with so many of these people and i've got to see what worked and what didn't and then i revised my training you know i have a big training set and i revised my own i borrowed myself and i reinforcement learning on myself in order to figure out what should i actually be looking for what what do i actually want and then they were like they asked them this great question they go what do you look for like a spa partner so like what does it take to work well with elon and you know what do you want and he goes i don't want a spa partner i want you to execute well if he he goes if someone execute well i'm a huge fan if they don't i hate them because he goes i don't care about my own idiosyncratic preferences he goes if you get things done i love you if you don't i hate you i thought those so great well weirdo you say that i feel like you're the same way dude i literally feel like i when i heard it i was like that's how sam is well i just took andrea wilkinson like personality test you seem him to tweet that thing at the other day yeah you're boys autistic apparently so literally a why we lead with bats yeah and the good nice yeah breaking tell tb and i need to get one of those little like announcement things yeah people this is better than your birth feb nice that was your awakening day a day the good news the big a day yeah now our podcast can get into the top top charts here we even break into the top ten we we've been lacking yeah it turns out yeah capital a autistic and so maybe elon and i i don't know maybe he's got the good type of autistic though i i he's got both half one and you have we build got one where we are just awkward in social situations and we say things like i was walk at the social one he got the math by the way anyone who's we say this with extreme love and a sense of humor about this and we there's a long running joke which is like in san francisco care like one of the highest status one of the highest status things you could have and that's where the the origin of the joke comes from alright so a lot of people watch and listen to the show because they wanna hear us just tell them exactly what to do when it comes to starting or growing a business now a lot of people message sean and and they say alright i wanna start something on the side is this a good idea is that a good idea and again what they're really just say is just give me the ideas well my friends you're in luck so my old company the hustle they put together a hundred different side hustle ideas and they have appropriately called it the side hustle idea database it's a list of a hundred pretty good ideas frankly i went through them they're awesome and it gives you how to start them how to grow them things like that gives you a little bit of inspiration so check it out it's called the side hustle idea database it's in the description below you'll see the link click it check it out let me know the comments what you think can i tell you another thing that he said this so he was like they kept asking they were like okay so like what are you doing differently he goes i just have a man sense of urgency and he goes i shoot for a deadline that i have a fifty percent probability of success and people make fun of me because that means half the time i'm late and i'm wrong about my deadline and i miss my deadlines but it's worth it because he goes work is like a gas it expands to fill the time you give it and so i just don't give it much time and so okay that's that was good now let me tell you about some of the crazy stuff so wait that's actually really interesting i get criticized within my own company of doing that of creating like these super urgent and people get worn out and then like her mo who i who i think is a really smart business guy he like preach all the time of like have patients and everything like that it's it's a hard economy to to handle yeah i think it's sort of a like long term patience as and you're not gonna give up and you're gonna stay at it i think short term man sense of urgency is it on the task so it's like patient with the mission and man about the task is is probably the way way to do it so here's another thing that i picked up he might have said the phrase limiting factor four hundred times in three hours have you ever said that phrase so if one thing came out of this it was how elon thinks and works is you have a huge mission right we're gonna go to mars we're gonna build the first electric car company we're gonna build artificial general intelligence right like whatever it is huge mission you have man sense of urgency great that's the second component and what's the third one it's this idea of the limiting factor and so at any given time all he's doing is he's sort of scanning for what is the limiting factor and in what is the bottleneck that's preventing us from getting to the outcome sooner right now so for example with ai right now they're like you're doing these space data stations data center that sounds crazy why are you doing this why can't we just do it on earth and he's basically like well to make ai smarter we need bigger like data set more compute and so you're either gonna be limited by chips initially we were limited by chips so i started building chips so like tesla's building like their own gpus to like you know like the equivalent of the nvidia chips and he bought he bought the most you know he bought like huge orders of nvidia chips and you know told jensen like give me everything you got the second thing is power and so he's like the limiting factor is now power not chips he's like i suspect that actually in the next you know twenty four thirty six months there will be more gpu chips that can't be turned on so the limiting factor will not be chips anymore we're not constrained by chips we'll will be constrained by power availability and so then he's like and so they walked through they're like so what do you mean so like why can't you just connect to the grid and he's like you can't connect to the grid for these reasons they're okay well why can't you do it off grid why can't you just get a by a like a power plant and power your own chips not connect to the grid he's like well there's three companies that like the power plants and they're all booked out till twenty thirty two we can't build the power plants fast enough there's not enough people or projects in time to build enough power plants as we're gonna need and they're like well specifically like what's the so they needs like specifically why he's like actually it's the turbines inside the power plants that we cannot procure in time and there's this many companies that make the turbines and actually within the turbine it's the blades and veins that you can't do and so we're gonna try to make them at tesla but even that will take time and so we're limited by this and so i'm throwing all my weight into whatever is the limiting factor at any given time in this business and so it ended up with like effort we're gonna launch these data centers in space that's the way to get around this limiting factor over and over and over again in the whole podcast it's basically like the formula is like identify the limiting factor and then go apes shit to get over it and most people don't do either of the two they don't actually correctly address or identify the limiting factor and then if even if they did they don't go apes shit right and so ever since this podcast it like any meeting i've had so like you know i check with kinda of like portfolio companies and i've just gone fully elon on them where i'm just like so we want this outcome what's the limiting factor and then the ceo will talk for five minutes i'm like cool you didn't answer my question what's the limiting factor well the limiting factor is x okay great why are you talking about all these other things besides x x is the limiting factor so all we're gonna focus on is x okay well what does that okay so what does that mean now you well no once you identify that you need to drop everything else just focus on x and then go apes s on it and he would say he's like in my companies if something's is going because something is going well you're not gonna see me right now the boring company is going well i don't spend any time on it because it's going well if it hits a roadblock and there's a limiting factor and they can't solve it then i will come in and i'll throw my full force my full weight at it and i just thought this simple operating philosophy i think can serve a lot of people is to identify the limiting factor and then figure out how to throw your entire weight against it and you know sort of if you gotta go over the wall over through the wall around the wall under the wall whatever you gotta do you gotta get past that wall like i don't know like i don't know if wanna play the game but like right now let's take hampton for example what's the limiting factor in hampton thought exercise yeah so we basically only do two things we get the best people to join a core group and then we allow them to have good conversations and so for us a limiting factor in order to expand to chapters globally is to get more of the the best people so more people what's the limiting factor on mortgage people well i i could probably make a list of five things that we could do for example we could ask for referrals more than we do we could probably spend more on advertising okay so those will be solutions but just one level deeper into the problem so like we have a lot of people they're not good or we have good people but we just don't have enough of them we don't have enough people applying period we're limiting our prospects to only thirteen cities and so we need to open that up in order we we have thousands and thousands of people applying every single but we limit it only to thirteen cities so what what's limiting factor of opening up thirteen more cities just bandwidth probably of like having someone really focus on a particular city because once one person joins or a prospect shows interest in let's say birmingham how do we find seven other people who are interested and then the way that we will eventually scale that is we will instead pivot our business to where moderators are basically franchisees owners and then you have to go and help recruit seven other people once we give them one person and so they're running their own little coaching business right and so a useful exercise in this case would be basically what's stopping us from doing it tomorrow so let's say tomorrow you wanted to open ten cities what would actually break if you if you open ten cities tomorrow well a customer would potentially be angry because they'd have to wait a long time until we found seven other the people and let's say birmingham and so then you say is that true is there is there not or do we have so to have ten cities you need how many members like to activate that city well you just need one cor group of bay people so you need so you need eighty people so you need eight per city do you have eight do you have eight that are ready to open one city tomorrow or no like could you open one tomorrow yes could you open two it tomorrow probably maybe but like it would get hard i need more i would need more people and then the question would be like why i more people well you know why can't i just do it with less people yeah yeah okay so you start to get into like that nuts in both of it right but like if we just even just look at what just happened right it was like started with a high level problem we need more power right in your case it was like we need more good people and then you got to turbines and blades and veins is the limiting factor which was like actually mississippi has four people and we need eight right that's the turbines that's the blades and veins level of detail and so you know could you do if we wanna do we need to do ten could i do one yes can i do two no what happened at two why did one to two break right so you so okay there's a limiting factor somewhere between one and two what's what's different what's what happened there and also a second ago you were like we could ask for referrals we could do actually we could do why it's almost like we jump to solutions really quickly and what i think actually happens in these companies is we sort of already have in our mind a bunch of pet projects of good ideas generically good ideas but not specifically problem solving ideas and i think the one big sign of one big source of waste in companies is when everybody wants to do their pet projects or everybody wants to do their generically good ideas rather than the specifically effective ideas that are gonna solve the current bottleneck that is right in front of us that we could unblock for tomorrow i think this makes sense i think it's hard to pull off i think that like it's hard to pull up just because of interpersonal relationships a lot of people would like approach this and be like i'm doing all these other things like how dare you like tell me just do one thing like you don't understand like how are we gonna keep the business running you know what i mean that's the the the pushback mostly totally and and i think that's by the way that's a very real thing like hey we're gonna focus on this and it's like well actually you don't really realize i'm holding up this entire ship by keeping these six trains running on time and i have to keep doing that so a lot of people lot of times i've seen this there it's like i could tell the good people of my company they're like yeah i hear what you're saying and i'm gonna do that i'm not even gonna like i'm gonna have to keep some of these these trains running and you're i we don't need to discuss it i just know it needs to get done and blah blah what i found is pretty effective is to address it in the in the also so what i'll do is i'll address the trade off so i'll say so here's what that means by focusing on this what that means is that this area where we actually know how to improve it and we have a bunch of good ideas and maybe even two things that are in flight we're actually just not gonna do any of those and we're gonna accept mediocre progress here for exceptional progress here and nobody wants to say that out loud but i'm gonna say it loud because it's true we have a trade off of energy and focus and intention and if we're gonna move it all over here that's what that means over there we're all saying out loud yes we understand and accept this it's like accepting the terms and conditions when you sign up for a website it's like yes you're gonna sell my data so like yep over here we're gonna make far less progress than we want and i think this happens throughout life right you you have a kid and you're like wow this is really important we guess what's gonna be a little less important is like your work for the next three months and your gym routine is gonna go out the window and you just have to like you know if you don't accept those trade off you're just gonna feel a constant underlying state of anxiety or stretch yourself too thin and do a poor job of everything rather it's actually just better to say great for this season this is what matters and i'm am i'm okay with a less than stellar rate of progress i will only do this amount to keep this running but beyond that i will not be doing for this next period of time are you good at not bitch at them about why this thing sucks for example for the hustle it was grow email list therefore social media does not matter and then i why social media suck why that social media suck yeah k well i give them permission to for vermont i mean we put the the thing right in front of us like front and center we like i i'm i'm a obnoxious repeater so like every day when i start my day i will say hey here's our goals for the year here's the things we said matter here's what matters this week and i'm like a bop but because i realized like if i don't keep repeating it people don't even know what we're trying to do and we don't like so i try to get a really crisp set of things clearly really crisp clear set of things we're doing and then i will repeat it so much to the point that i myself remember we said social media doesn't matter all that matters to growing email list and they have permission to be like wait but social media doesn't matter all that matters is the list and it takes some time to work together where you kinda screw that up it's like you refer you're feel like why why was this last month not as per productive as we wanted and then you sort of come to the pow wow and real realize like well it's because we said we were gonna focus on these things but then we kept getting distracted and you know wanted to also do these five other things and guess what when we try to do it all like we can have anything we just can't have everything all at once and you learn that the hard way once twice and it's like you know george bush you know fool me once shame on me fool me twice don't fool me again you know it becomes that at a certain point so the good thing you know i've worked with ben for like six years so we kinda know like yeah we've stepped in that gum before like do we really want that on our shoe again i can kinda see it coming if we're gonna do this or you're saying this but remember this is like that other time so let's just stay focused you threw that george put bush quote and they're like you're were rap seamless that was great well what's the quote fool me voice shame on me fool me twice don't fool good yeah he like loses the quote because he's was like yeah twice don't kept you fooling me it's like an old timer today's episode is brought to you by hubspot did you know that most businesses only use twenty percent of their data that's like reading a book but then tearing out four fifth of the pages point is you miss a lot and unless you're using hubspot the customer phone that gives you access to the data you need to grow your business the insights that are trapped in emails call logs transcripts all that unstructured data makes all the difference because when you know more you grow more and so if you wanna read the whole book instead of just reading part of it visit hubspot dot com can i show you one other clip that i thought was pretty just i don't know wild from elon yeah is it to clip about how you lied about not going to jeffrey island no did he go actually i'm not sure if he went or not but he said that he refused to go but the email say like he was actually begging to do yeah yeah hey we're gonna be around the town you guys got anything going on yeah definitely alright watch this vastly more intelligent than humans since sometimes you're like a do and this is like the best we've got it's just like it keeps it around because it's interesting i'm i'm just trying to be realistic here if if we have if if if ai intelligence is vastly more if if ai is like you know let let's say that there's a there's a million times more silicon intelligence than there is biological pool it's it's i think it's it it would be foolish to assume that that there's any way to maintain control over that now you can make sure it has right values or you can try to have have the the right values okay so i don't know if i i think i'm gonna take the wrong time a little bit there but here's fifteen minutes in and they're they barely drink their their drink no there's refills there's refills well one of the funny jokes is that door cash doesn't touch his point he just keeps bringing it up to his mouth and it just wet his beard and then it goes back down with the same amount in it all the other guys are just like crushing them alright so here's what he says about ai so the the the topic is how do you make sure that ai you know ends up being good for humanity and he says something where he goes they were like they were like how do you stay in control and he says if you have intelligence that's a hundred times smarter than any human it's hard to imagine that the humans stay in control and then the second thing then they goes so wait are you like a doom here like you know you just think we're doomed and he goes i'm just trying to be realistic here if ai is vastly more intelligent like there's a million more times silicon intelligence to biological i think it would be foolish to believe that we can maintain control over that all you could do is try to make sure it has the right values like kind of like basically like it goes on like visit it a kid and it would keep us around and i just thought that's a pretty stunning admission for a guy who's building ai to basically say out loud this thing is gonna be so much smarter than humans and when it is the idea that the human like the chimps are gonna stay in control of the humans like that the humans are gonna be in control of this thing that's a hundred times or a thousand times are millions doesn't sense because it's foolish like you know the ego is the reason why like napoleon's napoleon you know like the reason to like there like does does a computer have the need to dominate it's not even that dominate is that we don't control it so for example like if we say cool i want you to run all decisions by me but it makes decisions a thousand times better than any human alive in the history of mankind really realistically did you gave it the mission of being successful is it actually gonna run the run the decisions by you but this i'm asking does it actually have the mission to be successful like a human has well you're gonna give it the even if even if the human is the one prompting say got it hey want you to make this thing really i want you to help me become president i want you to build this successful company i want you build this technology do you think after that it's going to care what you have you turn it off but you turned it on that's that point like like humans have a comp propulsion to be right to a lot of humans have a compulsory to be nice to reciprocate does it have compulsions and so like can can you churn it the way that you just told it to dominate or to win can you also say when us you might then the next guy says no i wanna win stay on all it takes is one guy to to not turn it off right like that same thing with one country to not have safeguards on it i've you seen the ai social network where they're like all ai guys talking about like how they're gonna dominate humans yeah although that might be like kinda faked it's unclear at this point if that's fake or real like it might be that humans are saying say something like this because it freaks everybody out goes viral have you seen this he he way to this this meme i don't wanna live in a world where someone else makes humans are relevant before we do that does how that is kinda how it feels it yeah but like i hope he's wrong yeah even with spacex you know he's talking about like you know the goal is you know the the original mission with spacex is to like preserve the you call it like the candle of consciousness like basically like what if something happened to earth if we're a single planet species like all consciousness could get wiped out it should be really important that we're multi planetary species so that like really you know is human consciousness or intelligence like you know lives on and in this interview he kinda backs off that he's like you know consciousness is we don't really know what that is so let's just say intelligence because x ai just merged with spacex x he's like so you know at least intelligence will propagate through the internet it's basically like the robots and the chips and the ai will will definitely be multi planetary whether we are or not like he basically his argument and so dark is like why do you think that they would care that humans survive and he's like well you know there's no reason to kill us this like that's not very reassuring was essentially the way that that he put he's like you know humans are interesting and we're part of consciousness so like if you wanna maximally expand consciousness you would keep humans around right there's not a big advantage to doing it it's like whoa if that's what if that's the last if that's the moral victory we're clinging to this is a pretty startling things so i just thought that's that's a kinda of crazy admission that that he was making can tell you two other just insane things from this so he's talking about what he's doing with his ai project which i don't think he's ever really talked about before have you ever heard of this macro hard project no what's it called a macro hard yeah so like like like the like the seventy for third or what's i called seventy for seventy where you get like run a mile every day for seventy days seventy hard twenty five months what the town got he made it the opposite of microsoft he's like what's the opposite of microsoft it's macro hard and basically what he was doing what he's doing is he's building what he calls human emulator so here's the elon philosophy or the like strategy that kind of got revealed during this podcast so the strategy is how do you win well goes if you think in the limit what is the what is the most the ai can do before before you have like robots that are you know like artificial intelligent robots which they're trying to build that tesla right so tesla's building optimus which is the robot that can do any of the work that a human could do and you know that's that's he goes what's so what is he doing with his software play it's he goes think in the limit well this limit is if you're not in a robot it's anything a human can do on a computer and so he's like basically he's i think he says within like twelve or twenty four months he believes that ai will be able to do anything that a human can do on a computer so he calls it so they're building what they call the human emulator so it's a ai that can work like do anything a human could do with the computer so like i have an executive assistant so the idea would be obviously the ai would be able to do everything she does for me so researching things booking things you know making anything happen that's obviously there but also you and i doing this podcast if we can do this online that means that ai should be able to do this online it should be able to produce an interesting podcast twice a week about you know business trends opportunities ideas of that are related to entrepreneurship for business junkie just like us and it should be able to have a sense of humor but bring to the table three or four really interesting topics per per episode so ai should be able to do that because this is done online so he goes anything that's moving electrons the ai should be able to do and they go well how are you trying to solve that he goes like do you want me just give away all my secrets on a podcast like that would be sort of stupid right like i mean the the most competitive game in the world right now is to create this he calls it the highest el battle in the world el like you know the chest rankings like your el ratings so he's like the high dude because he elon needs a wed you man this guy's hilarious macro hard human been leader this is crazy so he's like you know he's like he's like it'll take at least three more beers for me to get you know to reveal that but he's like it'll be something like the way that tesla solves self driving and then they were like okay unrelated question how did tesla all self driving and he's like well what it you know what it did was it used very basic sensors the the same sort of sensors that humans have in this case you know mostly cameras eyes vision and it watched humans drive a lot like millions and millions and millions and millions of miles and then it tried to emulate what they would do so it tries to while you're driving it tries to guess what you would do and anytime there's a difference it notes it and it tries to learn from other people in similar situations until it can basically match what a human would do while driving and that's what does the self driving does and so similarly what they're doing with the human is they're basically getting tons and tons of data of humans using computers and they're using that to teach computers how to use computers and that's where this is going for macro hard and then he talked about on the robot side like do that that is that a is macro hard a company i don't if it's a project or a company i think it's a project within x ai i don't think it's a separate company do how many of you work at x ai is that is x ai considered twitter now in same property they did merge x a i and x merge and now and now that merged with spacex crazy and okay so now let's talk about the robot's thing real quick so he goes the optimus robot he goes it's the infinite money glitch because labor is the biggest market in the world and if you can have robots i can do human labor and specifically once the once the robot can build more robots that's the infinite money glitch so basically once optimus can build more optimus it's over and he's like and they were like well how will you do the emulator thing because tesla made sense right humans bought the cars and drove them around so that gave you all the training data of how to drive and with macro hard theoretically you could have you can have a bunch of you know humans using computers and emulate it but how do you do the robot one there's not enough robots to learn from and so he said he's building this warehouse where ten thousand robots will be able to self play so it's basically this giant warehouse for ten thousand robots or bunch toddlers walking around trying to figure out how to do tasks like pick this up move this here try this work together on this you know build this box without it breaking you know whatever and they're not gonna tell them how to do it they're just gonna self play over and over and over again until they figure it out the same way they're gonna like coming in up at three weeks that they're gonna like trying to like solve the like bars to get out you yeah i mean like they're like escaping prison so so like this is how they beat they built the best chess engines and go engines was instead of telling it strategies and rules they just said play ten million games and figure it out all you know is the rules of where the pieces can move like piece this pawn can move forward the bishop can move diagonally that's all we tell you and we'll tell you that winning is good go and it played like ten million games and it became the best chest player in the world they did it with go and became the best go player ever now he's doing the same thing with robots but i thought how crazy is that gonna be there's just the self play warehouse where the robots are trying to figure out how to do stuff like where is it gonna be where is this gonna be i don't know you didn't give me the address but i it sounds pretty awesome right gotta put it like you know they got like puppy cams at like doggy like doggy day cares you know we we need that see fights tell me i wouldn't be watching that thing four hours a day this is like whenever we talk about this my fight flight response goes up hardcore can i ask what's the okay so i have this theory that basically a thing happens we give it a meaning the meaning just decides the feeling you told me about the thing happening hearing about all these exciting ai breakthroughs you told me the feeling which is like kind of fight flight fear anxiety exhaustion what's the meaning you're putting on all this that's making you feel that way what does it mean that elon doing this or that these tools are rapidly advancing are there's new tools every day what's the meaning you're putting on that on falling behind you yeah you have you either gotta get on or get off and you have to you have to adapt faster than ever before in order to keep up and all these opportunities are flying by and you know what's the phrase like opportunities are trains thankfully there's always another one but these trains are moving real fast and i don't know if i grab it if i don't catch on what it's at when it's at this top and what happens if you don't catch on well i'm lucky i'm gonna point in my life for like if i don't catch on like i just i'm nothing like i'm safe but like as an opportunity love and entrepreneur like there are like you know you do feel fo and also there is fear there's a bit fear but it's weird you have to like think about it i'm lucky i'm not fearful entirely of myself but i still feel that like humanity is like changing and it's scary yeah it's just change it's and change is good and am bad but it's just like the speed of of things it is incredible i mean i remember in two thousand and twenty one my friend was telling me about open and thinking about joining the company and i was like don't know man this is is this legit like who knows that was only five years ago and it's like our parents use it you know like it it's pretty my mom used pretty consistently which is crazy it's astounding it's crazy it's wild like and there's a different tool every single day and they're so good yeah i i guess i just i think we should leave it with the optimistic version of that which is there's never been more opportunity than this that if you're good you get to lever up and like whatever your whatever your output was gonna be you can sort of tend to hundred x that using these tools you don't need to use all of them you don't need to catch every opportunity catching any piece of this is gonna be huge catching any piece of this at all is gonna put you in the top one percent because if we're feeling this you remember the whole world is not if if it's all about change in adaptation who better than us to you know who better than the type of person that list to this podcast then then to take advantage of that like you know ninety nine point nine nine nine nine nine percent of the world doesn't even listen to a podcast like this if you're listening to the positive podcast like this you're already in the point oh oh one percent of you know adaptability of change of your future promise and so you're better positioned than anybody too to take advantage yeah the problem is we compare to the we two decimal places over and we're like but elon is doing this but this guy's doing this right and it's like you don't have to be them to to win in fact you know we sort of stand on the shoulders of giants i have a friend who was telling me his father owns a nursing home company or something like that what it's like at home care and he's like my dad's in his seventies he lives in the midwest in missouri the business does ninety million a year in revenue eight million a year profit and i told him about ai and he had never heard of it like he didn't even know what that word met like it wasn't even like and then he's like i went to his office and it was like eighty employees and they all look like the same woman over and over and over again of like you know you ever seen ferris b day off like the secretary like with like that haircut it's like they like that word ai they they literally didn't know what it was and it's just crazy how how much effort like i'm like how much they spent a payroll he's like they spent eight million dollars a year in payroll and i was like what are they doing and he explained i'm like that's crazy that's just like that one little business that you never even heard of in middle missouri that just unlocked eight million dollars a year probably in value right someone can go and do right right alright let's take a quick break because i gotta tell you story let me tell about the first time i tried to run payroll for my team i was using a traditional bank and you know the type it's got a junky interface it's built like a two thousand and two tax form and it was open only during business hours and i hit send froze they flagged the transaction they locked my account they put me on hold for forty five minutes and then they told me i gotta visit my local branch and that was the day i started looking for a new banking solution after asking a few founders what they were using i found out about mercury and so now my payroll is two clicks i can wire money i can pay invoices i can reimburse the team all from one clean dashboard that's why you use it for all of my companies and so do two hundred thousand other startup founders and so if you're looking to level up your banking head to mercury dot com and apply in minutes mercury is a financial technology company not a bank bank the services are provided through choice financial call them man a and evolve bank trust members fdic alright listen sean you're getting dumb am i well we all are so i'm reading this book called stolen focus because i'm i'm basically like incredibly depressed by the fact that like i get ten thousand notifications a day and it's like impacting my mood and so i saw this book called stolen focus have you seen it well i saw it but then i looked away great good joke but it kinda got me interested and it's coincidental just last month this one neuro neuroscientist scientist did the thing in front of congress this testimony whatever in for of congress where he basically said that this is the first time in history of measuring this since the eighteen eighties that the current generation gen z is dumb than the the generation above them so i've you heard of the herd of the flynn effect no so basically since like the eighteen hundred since like we started like measuring iq at a large level every generation is roughly ten points higher than the previous generation so every thirty years it goes up by ten points or every ten years it goes up three points which is kinda cool because that means that the average person today would have been gifted in like nineteen hundred and so it's been going up for a variety of reasons one education die a bunch of different stuff but starting in two thousand ten they noticed a decline and this isn't just in america it's in norway they noticed as a bunch of different countries i think eighty different countries have actually studied the same thing this isn't just an american thing but starting since two thousand ten there's been a decline and so now officially according to like i think a sample size of like eight hundred thousand test subjects gen z is the first generation i think since eighteen hundred that has a lower iq from the generation before is that insane they blew it we had it going we had a trend go we had a street going so alright the fact is the long term study showing an increase in standardized iq test scores observed to the twenty century about three points per decade as you said primarily due to environmental factors such as education nutrition smaller family sizes more technology rather than genetic changes it's most significant in test measuring fluid intelligence which is problem solving rather than crystallize intelligence which is acquired knowledge it highlights that intelligence is heavily influenced by environment blah blah blah okay great and then you're saying recently recently it's not holding gen z is the first generation to score lower than their predecessor and they have this just this picture of someone is bad headline article which is always great this j z is like gay that every ever before they like zoom dot you yeah like dude i'm never just gonna i've ever just gonna pose for a picture without asking what it's for again what okay and so gen z is that i think two thousand ten onwards so people have heard like sixteen years old i think maybe ten to sixteen something like that is that right i thought this like jen alpha ninety seven to twenty twelve sorry i got that way off yeah you're right jen alpha okay so they're like what twenty five right now and so what you can guess probably what do you think has caused this well yeah just seems like the sort of brain rot the brain rot consumption right like it's like diets it's like why are we getting fatter and then you go to the grocery store do you see the a grocery store is basically lead gen for a hospital right it's just the sugar factory so yeah so you know it's not a big surprise so the correlation and i think there's c coordination proof but the correlation is certainly the rise of smartphones in social media kinda got be thinking like i i think that we talked about inflection points on this podcast about businesses so inflection points means a tech inflection meaning everyone has a smartphone and thus jeep we all have gps therefore new businesses can launch like uber because of it or a regulation inflection during covid doctors were able to prescribe medication virtually so that created telehealth i think that we haven't gotten to the inflection point yet but in the next ten to twenty years we gonna see an inflection point with a variety of cultural changes a cultural inflection and potentially a regulatory inflection i actually think there might be something there where we're gonna see a lot of different opportunities and businesses and just like cultural change due to the lack of focus so we call this like be a a focus or attention inflection i think that we are at the very early stages of that and i had like some ideas that i think it arrived there but i wanted to hear have you noticed this in your life like have you noticed that you are changing your like is there like a per like a like a household inflection going on we're all getting dumb or you mean no well you're like combating this well yeah so the the first thing to combat this so over the weekend my wife was like oh my god did you see what trump tweeted and i was like no and then like an hour later we're so then that conversation happens an hour later they were like oh you hear about the the the news anchor whose mom got kidnapped and i was like no and then there was like another a third story and and i again i was like no don't know anything about that and i think i've been totally fine about it and i kinda realized i just like i don't know you know when you get happy that you're better than everyone else that's kind of where i was i was in that beautiful state of mind yeah i was was in a sm sm has a snug problem didn't it yeah yeah i went to the admissions emissions shop and sure enough smoke check you did not pass the smoke check and did not pass the smoke check because i don't listen to the news i don't wash the news and i just i was thinking about this and i was like dude imagine if every day you just woke up and then instead of focusing on your life you just said distract me with everybody else's problems and then then the people tell you about a problem happening three thousand miles away another one happening nine thousand miles away another one that happened ten years ago and one that might happen ten years from now and then you got your brain gets to think about all that shit instead of what's going on in your life and that's essentially what it is if you're a regular consumer of the news and the news is one of these things that today at least there's like a half warning label on it but at the warning labels like fake news it's like you need real news not fake news and actually the answer is less news you just need way less news than you're currently consuming you don't need to know the stock price right now you don't need to know the bitcoin price right now you don't need to know what's happening in dc don't need to know any of that stuff and i i think and some people will argue the exact opposite they'll say oh my god you're so un civic minded and you really need to care about what's going on with other people in the world and and and you're like guys it's not my ability to not watch news it's the fact that i lied to get out of jury duty if i told them that my wife is a drug addict and i had to be over the kids that is why i'm about civic by did yeah this is not the correct argument this is not the correct evidence i've given you the right evidence haven't that i would say on the whole and over consumption of news is i i've seen is just one major leak people have in their life i guess the answer is not zero but definitely not the set point that most people have it's like your thermostat set eighty eight degrees in their house and they're wondering while they're sweating all day and the over consumption of content in general one of which is news and then the other social media i you my challenge this year was i deleted all to social media off my phone and so well that definitely changes things right because i get back a couple hours a day of a time and attention but it's not even really the hours it's kind of the moments it's like oh i like every time i open my phone i type in x to open twitter that's weird right and that all all my phone has is the affinity app and i'm like i guess i check my internet speed right now like that's all i could do it's like when you were a grown up and you would sit down and you'd start reading the back of the cereal box or when you're on the toilet you're like read the shampoo ingredient no seriously that's happening to me all the time now so like okay what the hell am god gonna think you know like and then i think about it important things to think about things that are about like really meaningful to me like what i'm gonna do that day my time my precious asset i think about my kids and where they're at and i think about start thinking about other things because i created space and i think that space is the thing that pull are lacking out it so yes in my household i have felt this especially this year because i deleted social media and i was totally like anybody else a social media addict right and it became more obvious than ever that like you don't notice the addiction till you feel the withdrawal and that's you know the phase that i've went in the first month of this year as i deleted all these apps as the the withdrawal of like i keep checking my phone and just keep getting to the xfinity app right but i'm like a fact checker addict like i i i i i like i i get addicted digital to social media but then it's like someone will be debating something try to see if like like how tom brady you what i i'm like well i'll just tell you right out or you know like you know like we were debating you like man trump's you know seventy six that's so old actually you know it like you useless facts yeah like if i type i right now for instagram i get insta cart and i get eye aqua which controls my pool temperature i like those are my options for those are my options for distraction for voluntary distraction from you know from the world so my prediction is that we are going to look at this problem the same way we look at obesity we're gonna like look at this stuff and we're gonna say there are some people who can just put it down and just walk away you know there are some people like well just just stop just don't do it it's like well but like this processed food is like addict and it triggers something in my brain and it makes it almost impossible so i think that what we're gonna see is that this is gonna shift from what it is now to like either we ignore it or we think it's just like a small problem too it's an environmental problem and there has to be changes and and i i have a few ideas like on what it could be cool but i think that the the i think that this is this you referenced another study before that dollar is fascinating which explain that one again train classroom study i thought this was just like a really important do you remember this it was like something about the noise from a train and just that like a train went by in the classroom was lowering their score what was it again yeah so basically the the the hypothesis was due does does noise interruption impact people's focus and a study looked at something like two or three or four hundred thousand children and in school in fourth grade and they looked at kids that were under an overpass of a train or nearby a train in kids who weren't and they found that the kids that read silently without the interruption of a train passing by retained information significantly higher i don't remember the points but basically just that d level even if it was intermittent it significantly impacted their ability to retain information that they were reading right but but did you see the pavel der du of tweet he had for on on on new year's did you see this thing okay so pavel is the founder of telegram which is like one of the biggest messaging apps in the world he also started one of the biggest social networks in the world before that the it's like the facebook of russia and does he like the the father of a hundred kids too yeah and he's like built like a greek god and he's brilliant and he's super rich and she's got a great job line yeah i can't say enough good things about this guy right so i don't if you know the story when they asked him for for access to all the data and they wanted a backdoor he said no and then they sent him like an official notice and he sent back an official response which was a dog wearing a hoodie like flicking off the camera and then he left the country and then they took his social network but he was like fine take it but you're not gonna i'm not gonna give you access he tweeted out this year he goes this year i wish you less less information plus food less entertainment less communication less stimulation you already have too much of that and it stands in the way of your serenity health sleep and creativity merry christmas and i just remember like that really stood out me and i i like it in obviously i agree with it but the the part i think is more interesting is this guy created you know one of the biggest messaging apps and social networks in the world he doesn't use his phone what so i don't know anything about that what do you mean he doesn't use his phone he doesn't have a phone he's like if something needs to get to me like somebody will bring me the message if it's really important and he's like i just don't use or look at my phone like i think it's either either at all or most of the day he just not look at a at a at a phone and he was like and then you know you know steve jobs you know he'll invent the ipad and the iphone but at home his kids don't use it zuckerberg his kids aren't on social media it's like do as they do not as they say you that you should do right like you guys should use this but we're gonna do like i don't think the you know i i don't know what the executives that at craft do or the food scientist are a craft do but i don't think they're given their kids craft mac and cheese every day right they'll you should have it for sure please buy it but but we're not gonna eat that shit and i think that that's kind of where where i stand with like the social distraction folks it's obviously it's super hard right like but but i seems like the fight worth fighting is kind of what you're you're bringing up here well i personally think that yeah i i think it's a fight worth fighting but i also thought i'm just acknowledging that this is gonna be a trend i think that what we're gonna see is that there's gonna be like these classes where like the upper class the rich people who don't have to be on their phone or computer all the time they're they're gonna know that this is an issue sort of like it's a little bit different now but sort of like in the nineties and early two thousand whole foods was a luxury so health food was a luxury and so i think that's what's gonna happen here which is sad but i think that's just probably naturally how things are kind of tend to play out almost all the time we've seen this on the podcast we've had guys who come on here we remember there's was one guy who owns an nba team billionaire and we were like are you doing this podcast from a phone and he was like yeah i'm don't it's like i don't own a laptop and then we we were like can you move the thing and he's like there was somebody like i don't know what this is he's like somebody set this up i'm here and then i'm leaving and this is i don't really even understand what's what this is and we yesterday i started i yesterday last week i did a call with a guy who's the richest guy of a country not the biggest country in the world but he's the richest guy of that country so you know this is a very wealthy multi billionaire probably with ten twenty billion dollars he was trying to screen share during our call and he's like he's like we were in zoom and he's like i'd like to show you this but and i know i can but where do i go and i was basically tech support for this was like look at the bottom of zoom there's a thing called share it's like a little square with a thing and he's like okay oh it says i need to have a a different browser and we were like are you not using chrome he's like no what is what is chrome i was like wow this is he's like yeah usually just some people do the stuff for me i've like abstract myself away from like my computer from tech problems from being from having to like set these things up and be like you know to to do this stuff myself to be hands on with it and i feel like there's like you're saying like a almost like a wealth or a status thing here where like the wealthier you get the more you're going to be able to abstract yourself away from some of these tools right from from from digital you know digital dopamine yeah yeah i for should i think that's gonna happen but i think that it will get to the masses eventually i think that's just like how things work i think that so listen tell me tell me what we think about these two or three ideas i have so i think that have you ever done a v two max access no do you know what it is yeah you put on a like a bane oxygen mask and you run on a treadmill i think basically yes no different than like the combine idea you have it's just like a way to measure how good is your heart you use it oftentimes to figure out where's is your max heart rate and at like what level can you run comfortably in zone two for an extended period of time that's like okay why dirt athletes use it so you exercise on a treadmill bike with increasing intensity and the mask you're wearing analyzes your oxygen consumption and co2 production until you reach exhaustion k gotcha and so i think that we can i think here's a business idea i think that we're gonna see like a v two max test for attention it sounds hilarious i'm telling you i think this is a gonna be it could be you just sit in a room and they see how long it takes you to like like the marshmallow test it's like how long we should pick up the phone have you ever felt like this kind of this i don't know exactly how to explain it but have you ever felt like your nervous system being fried where you're like i'm just like my anxiety was too high like i just i've been i was in fight flight too much have you ever felt that feeling hundred percent yeah do you ever get that looking at your phone i get it all the time i feel like i feel like i almost it's what it should be is that you're in the normal state which you think called like parasympathetic or whatever nervous system and then you go into fire flight when there's like this extreme stimulus i think for me it's almost the opposite i think for most people it's probably the opposite in modern day which is you're always running with the sort of baseline anxiety fight or flight type of response and then you remind yourself to take a breath go for a walk put it away and you you sort of come down off of it and you re re regulate yourself and maybe i just live in san francisco and i'm around timothy like kinda tech you know at addicts but but i think it's almost what what whatever the ratio is it should be like ninety ten or whatever i think it's almost the opposite or is fifth of course it's terrible ratio and i believe that one of the best ways to lose weight is to weigh yourself every single day what gets measured gets changed and i think that we could see you you could measure like your nervous system there are ways to measure it your you're resting heart weight rate and like for example just like pulling up your phone your heart rate could go up i mean there are there are ways to do i don't know exactly all the ways but i think that like there's this huge group of people doing like a p novo like all these like measuring things right and i think that we are gonna see this for nervous system or attention like they'll be advertised towards like let's see where you rank or where you are like in terms of attention and we're gonna tell you how fried you are and then we're gonna give you a plan on how to get un fried and you can come and measure you can come in and and rem measure your body fat in six months yeah i think that's very true what when i've been coaching this basketball team one of the things i find myself saying a lot to the guys is concentration is a skill because you know the players when they come into the gym they think you know the oh through the legs behind the back you know whatever and they think that's the skill they need to do well in the game and i was tell her like how often do you do this move pretty much never that's not even your role on the team is to do moves like this to score for the most part what we want you doing is playing really really really hard and concentrating on the task at hand like being where you're supposed to be during the play focusing on where the ball is versus your man versus whatever and we have some really talented guys who don't get in the game because we don't trust their intensity or their concentration and i've been trying to tell them like those two things are a skill they don't sound like skills they sound like effort but effort it's a skill like these all of these things are skilled there's a guy on our team sam who's not the most talented but his ability to to ratchet up his intensity and then sustain that throughout the game like he's p during three games this year he just throws a work he plays so hard he throws up in the middle of the game and we're that's the only time he comes out of the game is just to throw up basically and he goes right back in and i'm like do you need a towel or some water like you know like what's going on he just goes straight back in is incredible and i've realized that intensity concentration the ability to be maximally present these are not just kinda nice nice to have like soft things they're hard skills and you actually need to practice them and get better at them and like what you're saying is if it's a skill then it could be measured and if it could can measured it could be approved right and and so on and so forth alright i'll give you two two quick more i think we're gonna see remember a you know what's it called cute q coupon yeah on it's like at the worst logo ever it's like a sad kids face exactly they hired the artist they were like just observe and then draw what you see yeah i think we're gonna see a for focus for kids i think kids are they're gonna impact be impacted by this time where like they're gonna be they're gonna learn like exercises and stuff for focusing i think we're gonna have like a maria con but remember of maria con i think we're gonna have a maria con you know maria con was this i think she was korean lady who was famous for organizing guarantee you're saying her name wrong by the way like maria condo maria condo it was like a latino real estate agent maria maria con her name is marie oh come on yeah i got i was a korean lady and all i got wrong was the with a maria versus marie hey maria like kill like give me a break alright it wasn't as far as off of as done yeah so like an influencer who's all about the tidy of the mind yeah and they're good like use their program to create coaches who are gonna to like come and talk to you and like makes sense like i think the probably the number one of friction for kids is like eighty eighty eighty adhd right and then you have to medicate and all the stuff and it explains why you're bad at school when it's like don't know i've seen that same kid focus at fortnite in roblox for four hours straight so what's up with that like perhaps they're just not that interested or the school is not that interesting to them because when they're interested they seem to lock in take think and also they've not used that skill and they need to learn that skill because they're like been fucking on tiktok and it's like swipe swipe swipe swipe yeah so i think you're i think you're absolutely right about that part of it i also think this is gonna happen for adults so you know the idea of a gym today seems totally normal but if you rewind i don't know two hundred years or something like that you're like yes see what's gonna happen is we're gonna send spend all these sitting because we're gonna have this like box that we work on you you know use your fingers only to just type on the box and then because our body's not gonna get any we're not doing any actual work like the thing you think of for has work today like agriculture you know any sort of like lifting of objects we're gonna go to this other box this other place and they're gonna just have weights on the ground and you'd be like what do mean weights it's like we're just like a heavy thing and you're gonna pick it put it get the down yeah yeah you can do it ten times for three sets and then they're just gonna go home and agree what why would they that's crazy right and it's like well that's what happened basically the more we got away from doing manual labor we then created this demand this need for stimulating our bodies with weights well i think the same thing gonna happen for intellectual stuff right like already people like well i could even think about this or could just ask chad to think about this and could just outsource the idea of critical thinking so i think there's gonna be a place where you go that's essentially the gym for your mind this is gonna place you go with a bunch of puzzles a bunch of thought experiments and riddles and shit like that and it's gonna be a gym for the mind and it's gonna be where you go to keep your mind active because most of your thinking is now done by the ai chip in your brain right this seems like if you fast forward fifty years either we're just gone or we have to come up with some way where we're gonna exercise our mind because so much thinking is gonna be done by you know digital digital intelligence and the last thing is justin mayer came on our podcast and he told about this business that he has or he helps fond i i forget his association but it was basically justin mayer for listener he's like our our buddy who's like a health freak and he has an amazing company called light work i gotta give a shout out light home light work home dot com okay what is this my wife did it they come to your house and they kind of inspect it to figure out where things are not healthy and where they are and so they looked at like some of the basic stuff like do you need different air filters on your ac which like everyone does but then they did other stuff like for example they educated us like i have a i had a i have a wifi router like right in my beds stand like next to my head and they're like check this out like the em is like coming to your head right here or like i was like i i didn't know for as he wears a hat right now that says midwest trash on his head or they'll be like look at your pillows what they're made out of like you're sleeping on plastic or for us it was like we need more plants in our house because the c two levels was shit like it was like a bunch of stuff like that it's pretty interesting did you end up like here's my fear with this right i do this and then anytime somebody audits my thing and tells me where something's bad i'm immediately i the sale is done it's like well alright is this a hundred dollar fix thousand dollar fix ten thousand dollar fix are a hundred thousand dollar fix what what's the damage here so did you end up doing a bunch of changes my thing was mostly like reorganizing or small fixes i'm also renting so like there's not like i'm not gonna like change the paint but i i i i think i think that we're gonna see what he's doing but for like digital products feels to me like today that's something we should do but nobody wants to do and at some point you're right the it'll tip it'll go that way it hasn't happened yet but it will not there yet alright is that it that's it desi i 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